post workout sugar

  • i was wondering what would be anyones opinion on having a half a cup of fat free ice cream after a workout,instead of some powerade, they both have about 18 grams of suger per serving.
  • I see no problem with it since thats the best time our bodies can deal with high GI fuel, I myself would go for something more nutritionally as to ice cream just because its best time for sugars does not mean its eat ice cream even if its fat free but this is my opinion.

    Powerade has more benefits then ice cream, although I completely understand if the ice cream does something mentally for you (helps keep you on track with diet) by all means stick with it.
  • Not a fan of sugars postworkout, I like oats and low GI carbs a pwo meal. IMO simple sugars are not needed postworkout, but if you want ice cream postworkout would be the best time
  • Yup, why not it is the best time.
  • Sirlancelot - one of the workout/nutrition programs I use calls for 70-100 grams of simple carbs post-workout due to the anabolic insulin surge it creates. I usually don't get quite this much - but I do get a pretty high amount of simple carbs post-workout. I don't see any problem with the ice cream post-workout for you. I'm not an expert, but it sounds ok in my experience.
  • well i realize my question may not have been as clear as i thought it was. i was thinking it would taste better than powerade but if it was about the same effect since it has the same sugar content. sorry bout the confusion guys.
  • Just a question Sixpack.....why don't u think simple sugars are needed post workout? Why go with a low GI carb that takes a lot longer to get into ur system such as oatmeal? Ever since I started adding MORE simple sugars post workout my gains and recovery have gone threw the roof! Do u have any info to back up ur theory on not needing simple sugars post workout?
  • Post-Exercise Carbohydrates May Be Counter-Productive
    By: Mauro Di Pasquale

    Not only is the use of post exercise carbohydrates non contributory to the increase in protein synthesis brought about by protein intake after exercise, it can actually be counter productive.

    There is no doubt that the timing protein nutrition after exercise is crucial for increasing skeletal muscle protein synthesis and an overall net balance.3 Exercise provides an adaptive response so that the body is able to make use of any nutrition supplied post exercise.

    Nutrient intake on its own provides a storage response so that if one is fed or receives an infusion of mixed amino acids after a fasted period, protein synthesis increases, whereas protein breakdown remains the same or decreases slightly, which is different from the response after exercise.

    Without nutrient intake after exercise protein synthesis and protein breakdown are increased but net balance does not become positive as it does after amino acid intake after fasting.

    Because of the exercise stimulus, when amino acids are provided after exercise, protein synthesis increases more than that after exercise or AA feeding alone, and protein breakdown remains similar to exercise without feeding. Thus the provision of AA enhances protein synthesis and leads to a positive net protein balance and an overall increase in protein accretion.4

    In addition, while the increase in protein synthesis after feeding is a transient storage phenomenon, physical exercise stimulates a longer-term adaptive response. Providing nutrition after physical activity takes advantage of the anabolic signaling pathways that physical activity has initiated by providing amino acid building blocks and energy for protein synthesis.

    Glycogen compensation and super compensation (after glycogen depleting exercise) after exercise requires a substantial carbohydrate load that results in a quick and large increase in glycogen levels in both liver and skeletal muscles.

    Once the stores are full, or even super full, the stimulus declines dramatically. However, if no carbohydrates are given post exercise the muscle will maintain a capacity to full compensate or supercompensate glycogen until enough carbs are either available through the diet or by gluconeogenesis to fill the glycogen stores as much as possible.5

    Because of the over emphasis placed on maintaining glycogen stores to maximize exercise performance, much of the research has centered around the effects of post exercise carbs, and post exercise carbs combined with protein,6 and the effects these have on glucose transportes (GLUT1, GLUT2, GLUT4), glucose metabolism, including levels of hexokinase and glycogen synthase, and insulin, 7,8 there's not much out there dealing with just the use of protein and fat after exercise.

    The usual advice is that carbs, with some protein thrown in, are a necessary part of post exercise nutrition regardless of diet that you're following, including a low carb diet. 9,10 However, that's not true. In fact the use of carbs post training can be counter productive and eliminating post training carbs can have added anabolic and fat burning effects.

    That's because the intake of carbs after exercise blunts the post exercise insulin sensitivity. That means that once muscle has loaded up on glycogen, which it does pretty quickly on carbs, insulin sensitivity decreases dramatically.

    As you know this statement runs counter to present thinking and research about post exercise nutrition although we've mentioned that one recent study showing that carbohydrate intake after exercise is non contributory to the increase in protein synthesis brought about by the use of a protein hydrolysate post exercise.

    However, the study did not go as far as to state that the use of carbohydrates can actually be counter productive. As such, let's take it step by step so that I can make my reasons for the above statements clear and easier to understand.

    First of all it's well known that a single session of exercise increases insulin sensitivity for hours and even days. 11,12

    It's also known that a bout of resistance exercise results in a significant decrease in glycogen and that total energy content and CHO content are important in the resynthesis of muscle and liver glycogen.13

    Glucose uptake and glycogen synthesis are enhanced in the presence of insulin following an acute exercise bout that lowers the muscle glycogen concentration and activates glycogen synthase. 14,15

    Muscle glycogen concentration dictates much of this acute increase in insulin sensitivity after exercise.16 Therefore, an increased availability of dietary carbohydrate in the hours after exercise and the resultant increase in muscle glycogen resynthesis reverses the exercise-induced increase in insulin sensitivity.17

    Along with glucose uptake, amino acid uptake and protein synthesis also increase. As well, the use of fatty acids as a primary fuel also rises after exercise since glycogen resynthesis takes priority to the use of glucose for aerobic energy.

    However, as liver and muscle glycogen levels get replenished, insulin sensitivity decreases, as does amino acid uptake, protein synthesis and the use of fatty acids as a primary fuel.

    By increasing insulin levels and not providing carbs you shunt your body's metabolism to the use of more fatty acids for energy while at the same time keeping muscle glycogen levels below saturation and amino acid influx and protein synthesis elevated for a prolonged period of time post exercise.

    This increased capacity for glycogen synthesis, and everything that goes with it, can persist for several days if the muscle glycogen concentration is maintained below normal levels by carbohydrate restriction. By keeping carbs low and protein and energy high after training, you can increase protein synthesis over a prolonged period of time and get long term anabolic effect.18

    As we've discussed, the problem with taking in a lot of carbs post training is that it dramatically increases insulin secretion. As well, it also decreases GH secretion and IGF-I expression. On the other hand using protein and amino acids, and other compounds (such as alpha lipoic acid) to increase insulin sensitivity doesn't decrease GH and IGF-I levels, which then remain elevated adding to the post training anabolic effects.

    As well, the increase in fat breakdown and oxidation that normally occurs after exercise is also prolonged. The end result is a long term anabolic, fat burning effect that enhances training results.

    Interestingly, keeping the carbs low after training, and taking in more protein along with some fat has a dual partitioning effect on fat in the body. First of all body fat is broken down and used as fuel preferentially to amino acids and glycogen.

    As well, there is an increase in intramuscular triacylglycerol levels, which are fat droplets in muscle cells and provide energy to working muscles in ways that are similar to muscle glycogen.

  • Thank You Loyalt. :)
  • IMO you will get an insulin spike no matter what carb intake you have. IMO it will make no difference in anything how fast you get it. MY BF is lower and I have stayed much leaner taking in low GI carbs. I sip on BCAA's during workout and have a regular meal 45min after lifting. Much better results without any type of tired feeling from the sugar. IMO not needed. Read up on Alan Aragon. Now if you are a performance athlete , football , basketball player etc I would recommend some simple carbs during the game etc lie gatorade etc. That is for a performance athlete which the event may be 2-3 hours and much higher intensity then any weight workout